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Cipango (a poetic name for Japan) + ‘plant-based lifestyle’ = ciplantgo, a podcast aimed at introducing people living a plant-based lifestyle in Japan.日本で菜食ライフスタイルを送っている人々のインタビューを中心にしたポッドキャスト。

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Ryuji Chua is an animal rights activist based in Los Angeles. Although he does not live in Japan, his profile totally justifies his presence on the show: Ryuji’s parental heritage is half japanese, and he has experienced almost a year living in the country. But more than his roots, it’s Ryuji’s direct and energetic activism - especially his short videos on Youtube - that makes him such a unique character to chat with. So when I was presented with the opportunity of meeting him during one of his trips to Japan, I made sure to seize it!

My discussion with Ryuji covers a wide range of topics: his childhood and teenage years in France, his love for animal documentaries as a kid, the motivation he had going to study movies in the USA, the importance of improving your social skills and making real connections, about being a good listener, Ryuji’s path to veganism, why both vegans and omnivores need to reaffirm their own values, how sometimes vegans are loud and clumsy in communicating with others, Ryuji’s approach to activism, which message between ethics or pragmatism goes further in helping animals, romantic relationships and the use of comparisons when talking to non vegans, choice of words when talking morality with people consuming animal products, and finally morality and meaning.

Having Ryuji on the show was a real pleasure, and his knowledge and energy made our discussion extemelly engaging to me. I hope you will enjoy listening to his story and views as much as I did.

 

- Introduction

- 0:02:48s - Ryuji’s childhood and teenage years in France

- 0:10:45s - Ryuji’s love for animal documentaries

- 0:12:30s - Going to the USA to enter a film school

                0:13:55s - Looking for a fresh start - about realizing your potential for self growth

                0:20:55s - Trying to be part of the cool crowd when you’re different...and failing at it

- 0:23:40s - Social life and making real connections - about the importance of improving your social skills

- 0:28:50s - Being a good listener is key - but building meaning while talking as well

- 0:37:25s - Ryuji’s path to veganism during College - “Sapiens” and the stories we tell ourselves

- 0:54:05s - Why non vegans can feel threatened in their integrity talking to vegans - about the need to reaffirm your own values

- 0:59:10s - How (new) vegans can be clumsily loud about it

- 1:03:35s - Ryuji’s approach to activism and how to spread the message

               1:06:35s - Ryuji’s telling his parents about being vegan

               1:15:00s - Sensitivity to meat and animal products among vegans - the role of staying in touch with animals

- 1:24:00s - Ethical veganism or plant based: which message holds the most potential for change?

               1:33:00s - The importance to encourage people reducing their meat consumption

               1:37:15s - About the impact my family activism had on my father diet

               1:38:50s - The shortest way to a vegan (friendly) world - being smart in your consumer and activism choices as a vegan

               1:43:50s - Ryuji considering producing (more) videos in Japanese

- 1:49:30s - Feelings in a romantic relationship where one is not vegan - about the use of comparisons in talking to non vegans

      1:56:55s - My opinion on the importance of societal norms when considering why people will not go vegan

                2:03:30s - Are really open and win-win romantic relationships possible?

- 2:16:40s - Good/bad or preferable/less preferable? - about how vegans should talk about choices for better communication with non vegans (is ethic/values objective or subjective?)

                2:20:10s - Why is suffering wrong? - is it meaningful to talk to people with different basic values?

                2:23:55s - Metaphysical queries and the meaning of life… or absence thereof - the importance of bringing meaning in your own life

    2:32:10s - What if Alien came to Earth and used humans as cattle? - how to talk to people who say they would be ok with that

    2:36:20s - The “I can therefore I should” argument - with great power comes great moral obligations

Introduction BGM: "Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

 

Additional notes and links

- Ryuji’s activism Facebook, ‘Peacebyvegan’: https://www.facebook.com/peacebyvegan/

- Peacebyvegan on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCalf6t4VdIx55Ppqpl83oBg

- Peacebyvegan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peacebyvegan/

- Peacebyveganjp (Japanese account) on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peacebyveganjp/

- “How to Create a Vegan World”: http://veganstrategist.org/veganworld/

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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Seyka Mejeur is vegan lifestyle advocate based in California and, at the time of recording this podcast, travelling Japan - then the world - with her husband Brian. Although they do not live in Japan, I thought it would be really interesting to ask about their experience as vegan travelers in Japan, and as vegan activists, so I invited them on the podcast after Seyka posted a message in the Vegan Japan Facebook group.

The episode starts with a quick presentation of Seyka and Brian’s vegan world tour. The discussion then addresses their experience and organization travelling in Japan as vegans, their path to veganism, the most positive and negative aspects of adopting a vegan lifestyle, Seyka’s opinion about ethical veganism, plant-based cheese, what ‘it’s easy to be vegan’ means to different people, Seyka and Brian’s activism related activities in California, their motivation going forward, advice to people wanting to follow in their footprints, veganism in the future, Seyka and Brian typical day back home, and finally cell grown meat.

It was a real pleasure being able to catch a little more than an hour with Seyka and Brian at the very beginning of their vegan world tour. I hope you will enjoy listening to the episode as much as I did recording it.

 

- Introduction

- 0:01:30s - Seyka and Brian: quick presentation, their world tour, and Japan as their first stop

                0:04:10s - The rationale of the tour planning: new places, vegan discoveries, and minimum amount of flying

- 0:08:00s - Their experience and organization travelling Japan as vegans

                0:13:10s - About how I think ethical veganism is not compatible with being ‘respectful’ of witnessing meat eaters indulge in their omnivorism

- 0:19:05s - Seyka (and Brian) path to veganism

                0:22:25s - About romantic relationships

- 0:28:05s - The most positive aspect of becoming vegan: walking the talk

- 0:30:50s - The most negative aspect of becoming vegan

- 0:33:55s - Seyka’s opinion about ethical veganism

- 0:35:45s - Seyka’s take on “How do you go without cheese”...

- 0:38:00s - What I think about saying “It’s easy to be vegan”: it makes you less relatable

- 0:41:20s - Seyka and Brian activism related activities in California

- 0:43:50s - What is keeping Seyka and Brian motivated to go forward

- 0:44:35s - Advices to people who would like to emulate Seyka and Brian’s lifestyle and activism

- 0:46:55s - Seyka’s vision for the future of the vegan movement

- 0:51:15s - Seyka and Brian’s typical day back home

- 0:53:25s - Something that Seyka is curious about right now

 

Introduction BGM: "Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

 

Additional notes and links

- How to contact Seyka:

         Website/blog: http://forgoodnessseyks.com/

         Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/seyka

         Instagram#1: https://instagram.com/forgoodnessseyks

         Instagram#2 (foodie): https://www.instagram.com/forgoodnessseyks_foodie/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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猪狩圭一郎さんと会って最初に話したのは、タンパク質とアミノ酸についてでした。ただし、ヴィーガンがよく聞かれるようなタンパク質の質問ではなくて、より詳しい話でした。当時鶏肉も魚も食べていた圭一郎さんは、その初TVMの数カ月後、それらを食べないようにしました。だが、変わっていないのは、彼は常に常識を疑って、自分が十分納得行かないことを実践しないところです。

このエピソードでは、出会った時の圭一郎さんの食習慣、彼がTVMに参加した動機、圭一郎さんが哺乳類を食べないようになった頃のソーシャルライフ、初TVMの印象とその当時のタンパク質やアミノ酸に関する考え方、圭一郎さんが鶏肉と魚をやめたこと、魚と漁業、卵産業に関する倫理、消費者として工場畜産への影響、イソフラボンのこと、豆の栄養価値、菜食ベースの食習慣にバラエティーが必要なこと、現在の圭一郎さんの職業とキャリアプラン、と鬱病について話しました。

圭一郎さんと一時間ちょっと話して本当に面白かったです。皆さんも、この話し合いを同じように聞いていただければと思います。

 

- イントロ

- 0:01:40s - 2018年5月、出会った時の圭一郎さんの食習慣

- 0:04:20s - 初TVMと、イベントに参加した動機

- 0:05:10s - 圭一郎さんが哺乳類を食べないようになった時のソーシャルライフ

- 0:06:25s - 初TVMの印象

- 0:09:50s - 当時の圭一郎さんのタンパク質やアミノ酸に関する考え方

- 0:11:30s - 鶏肉と魚をやめたこと

- 0:13:20s - 魚について

- 0:20:25s - 卵について:動物性タンパク質がより吸収しやすいかどうか、またはそれは卵を食べてもいい理由になるかどうか

- 0:40:10s - ヴィーガンオプションありのお店に行く=工場畜産を加担する?

- 0:51:45s - イソフラボンについて

- 0:56:30s - 豆について

- 0:58:50s - 菜食の食習慣にはバラエティーが必要(腸内細菌について)

- 1:06:25s - 現在の圭一郎さんの職業とキャリアプラン

- 1:12:15s - 鬱病について

- 1:14:30s - 色々な小質問

 

イントロ曲:"Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

追加情報やリンク:

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- 圭一郎さんのFacebook(気軽に連絡してください!、と圭一郎さんが言ってくれました): https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100030456740751

- 英語になりますが、卵に関する事実(だと思いますが)は以下のリンク参照

http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/11/21/why-did-evolution-create-a-chicken-that-lays-so-many-unfertilized-eggs-when-that-is-so-wasteful/?fbclid=IwAR2Rm_HnQIiizKoUWY3x_C0Z81Qb2CfzLtvLS21mI0q-EhgYnhCR4nZSHxc

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/what-does-a-hen-do-with-her-unfertilised-eggs-10100975.html?fbclid=IwAR263izOxCsUSfPn6wahgLXcRlR5_I77BfDqai5kG-ZOVKgQnIOXJdSyA-4

https://www.popsci.com/cage-free-chicken-stronger-bones?fbclid=IwAR1aHXGJP4C-TxmIGC8ARjVw-aIazoB8HzYMc2XYDc9WbxZ25mTT5Pqm0OA

https://kb.rspca.org.au/do-layer-hens-suffer-from-bone-problems_569.html?fbclid=IwAR3msQmzpJXrgXXk90keNt3pAh5I4E5zTu7AwLWVXoSyNNTUO04cULp_rsU

- 英語になりますが、イソフラボンに関する事実(だと思いますが)は以下のリンク参照

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/soy-hormones-male-infertility/?fbclid=IwAR3XFFvppUH4qBoE8d0DIgdgs8yHIaVKFkXt05Uu1tJUV7d7NKBtfRMFmp4

https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/19/how-much-soy-is-too-much/?fbclid=IwAR09g8wDnXWohMifVrwuJM4Txpa-HN0hFwjGDBqTVe1gOFj1UJLgyhAPCc0

- 豆の数種類の栄養素(脂質少し!):https://www.mame.or.jp/eiyou/eiyou.html

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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Hanna Hakko is a coal campaigner for Greenpeace Japan. Upon meeting Hanna for the first time, her profile directly struck me as very unique: born in Finland, where she lived until moving to Japan, Hannah developed early on a keen interest for how human societies are impacting the Earth, and decided to work defending our blue planet for the generations to come.

The episode starts with a description of Hanna’s current job, what she brings to Greenpeace Japan as a foreigner, how they are communicating with Japanese companies and banks, and a summary of her first year on the job. The discussion then addresses the impact of the Fukushima power plant catastrophe on Japanese energy production, the importance of individual and political actions in acting against global warming, Hanna’s path to Greenpeace and Japan, her impressions after having lived one year in the country, what she enjoys here, her path to veganism, being a vegan in Japan, leading an ethical life and the importance of drawing a line between acting to make the world a better place and nurturing yourself, other jobs that Hanna thought about doing, the health impact of becoming vegan, a typical Hanna day, her take on the future of Japanese / world energy production, and finally a few rapid fire questions.

Discussing with Hanna was both extremely interesting, and very fun. I hope you will enjoy listening to the episode as much as I did recording it.

Content

- Introduction

- 0:00:00s - Hannah’s job description: coal campaigner for Greenpeace Japan

                0:01:55s - About the value Hannah is bringing that a Japanese could/would not

                0:04:40s - About interacting with Japanese companies as a foreigner, and as an NGO

                0:09:15s - A summary about Hannah’s first year working in Japan

                0:13:05s - About the use of coal and energy consumption after the Fukushima debacle

- 0:16:30s - About the importance of individual actions compared to political changes

- 0:21:10s - Hannah’s path to Greenpeace and Japan

- 0:23:40s - Hannah’s impression of her first year in Japan

- 0:30:25s - About what Hannah’s enjoying in Japan

- 0:33:50s - Hannah’s path to veganism

- 0:45:45s - Hannah’s experience of being vegan in Japan: convenience, change in diet, sense of identity

- 0:58:30s - Leading an ethical life: where to draw the line, and how to find balance between acting in the world and nurturing yourself

- 1:17:00s - Other job(s) Hannah would have liked to do.

- 1:20:10s - The most positive thing Hannah got out of becoming vegan

- 1:28:00s - Health effects of becoming vegan experienced by Hannah

- 1:33:45s - A typical Hannah day.

                1:36:30s - About lifestyles/habits that are more needed than not when you are a human being.

- 1:41:00s - Hannah’s take on what the future of energy in Japan/the world will look like.

- 1:46:00s - Rapid fire questions.

 

Introduction BGM: "Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

Additional notes and links

- The Pink Cow: http://www.thepinkcow.com/

- The clinic Hanna had her recent check-up at, Sendagaya International Clinic: http://www.sendagaya-ic.com/en/

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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大谷有紀恵さんは、海外で動物福祉を勉強しにいったほど、動物のために尽したい気持ちの強い人です。小さいころから、動物が周りのみんなより好きだというふうに感じていて、日本社会では目立ちすぎないように、長年それらの気持ちを抑えました。「端的に話すのが苦手」だとシェアしてくれた有紀恵さんと1時間ちょっと話してみたら、彼女が体験してきた人生を部分的に垣間見えて、感動しました。皆さんも、このインタビューを同じように聞いていただければと思います。

このエピソードでは、有紀恵さんの動物への想いの原点、自分の独特性に気付くこと、日本の大学での農学勉強とヴィーガンになったきっかけ、ヴィーガンとしての社交的なチャレンジ、エジンバラでの動物福祉の勉強、日本での就職と転職した理由、ヴィーガンとして健康であることの大切さ、などのトピックに触れました。

- イントロ

- 0:02:45s - 有紀恵さんは動物が好きになった初記憶

- 0:07:45s - 周りの人がより動物好きではないことに気づく、と自分らしさを大事にすること

- 0:13:50s - 農学を日本の大学で勉強:動機、学習内容やヴィーガンになったきっかけなど

- 0:21:30s - お肉に対する姿勢:ヴィーガンになるまでは考えないように

- 0:28:10s - ヴィーガンであることを他人に滅多に話さない理由

- 0:31:00s - 周りの人に菜食主義者がいなかったこと

- 0:31:40s - 大学での畜産動物の世話について:工場畜産の現場から離れた体験のみ

- 0:36:20s - 進学の選択:エジンバラへ、最難のチャレンジ、最高の出会い

- 0:47:35s - 卒業後の初仕事の希望と現実:どうして普通の仕事に就いたか

- 0:54:50s - 転職を決めたきっかけ:動物のためになる仕事が見つかればなぁ~

- 1:05:00s - 16年前の東京の現在の東京のヴィーガン生活、とこれからの日本

- 1:09:10s - 健康であるヴィーガンについて

- 1:16:05s - 色々な小質問

 

イントロ曲:"Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

追加情報やリンク:

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Yukie Otani FB: https://www.facebook.com/yukie.otani.5

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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Pascal Rosier, businessman running the company Business Wire, is one of the most passionate vegan I have met in Japan. In addition to being very smart - Pascal speaks more than 5 languages - he is also tall, quite muscular, and always displays a very compassionate smile upon his face, which illustrates his love for all living beings. The few short discussions I had with him during Tokyo Vegan meetups made me eager to hear more about his story, so I naturally asked him to be on the podcast.

This interview is mostly centered around Pascal’s story from childhood to his life in Japan. On the way, we make brief stops about his current job, children and their motivation to learn, the importance of role models, the value of traveling to gain new perspectives, the experience of living in Japan as a foreigner, the challenges of being the only vegan among your intimate social circle, mock animal products, and the rise of veganism worldwide.

Pascal’s story was really interesting to me. It was a very valuable learning experience to hear him share his views, their origin, and how they came to be. I hope you will find our lengthy discussion as enjoyable as I did.

Content

- Introduction

- 0:01:40s - Pascal’s background, part 1: roots in Martinique, childhood in Germany.

- 0:03:00s - Pascal’s job in Japan.

- 0:04:50s - Pascal’s background, part 2: life in Germany and family background.

- 0:17:20s - How I can relate to Pascal’s experience as a kid; on the topic of children, their environment and motivation.

- 0:20:30s - Pascal’s background, part 3: path to East France, Martinique, then back to Paris.

- 0:28:10s - My view on the need of role model(s)

- 0:31:50s - Pascal’s background, part 4: about his father

- 0:33:00s - About the value of gaining perspective from traveling

- 0:41:20s - Pascal’s background, part 5: Paris - Japan - Paris - Japan; is France more open minded than Japan, or the other way around?... and how to connect with people

- 1:06:00s - Living in Japan is to be floating above society

- 1:16:05s - Pascal’s family in Japan, part 1 - how meaningful roots make life more colorful

- 1:21:50s - Pascal’s path to veganism - the role of meditation, the power of compassion, and stepping back from your beliefs

- 2:03:45s - Challenges as the only vegan in one’s household / (romantic) relationship - the importance of connection

- 2:18:10s - About mock meat and milk, about cheese...

- 2:30:10s - Veganism becoming normal - soon in Japan too?

 

Introduction BGM: "Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

Additional notes and links

- Pascal Rosier on the Business Wire website: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20181031005394/en/Business-Wire-Names-Pascal-Rosier-General-Manager

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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Traci Consoli is an artist and the owner of the Pink Cow, one of the first vegan friendly restaurant in Tokyo. Traci moved from California to Japan a long time ago, thinking of staying only a short while. Fate would decide otherwise, as she met, then married, a Japanese rock star. Fast forward a few years later, she opens the Pink Cow, mainly to have a place for her community to share good food, and to grow further. From the start, she wanted the Pink Cow to cater for the needs of every and any diet, something quite uncommon in Japan at the time - and still nowadays. Long story short, her restaurant became the venue for the monthly Tokyo Vegan Meetups, every first Thursday of the month.

This interview starts with us addressing the elephant in the room: why is Traci, who is not plant-based, on the show. Then we move on to Traci’s path to Japan and the opening of the Pink Cow, what Japan means to her, her lifestyle, her take on everything plant-based, what it was like for the Pink Cow to be located in Roppongi for a few years, how the relocation in Akasaka has been working out so far, potential future plans for the Pink Cow, what does a typical Traci day look like, Traci’s business and life recommendations, and finally a few rapid fire questions.

Traci’s story was fascinating in many ways, and it was a real pleasure to discover what kind of person is behind the Pink Cow, its great food, and the colorful art displayed on its walls.

(One last note: I was mildly coughing from time to time, so I tried to cut the worst of it out; it might make some edited part sound a little unnatural)

 

Content

- Introduction

- 0:01:37s - Addressing the elephant in the room: why is Traci, who is not ‘plant-based’, on the show?... the Pink Cow’s role in Tokyo’s plant-based scene.

- 0:09:10s - Traci’s path to her life in Japan.

                - Studying art and religious philosophy in California.

                - How she ended up married to a rockstar.

                - 0:10:35s - How the Pink Cow started.

                - 0:11:50s - What interested Traci in East Asia religious studies?

                - 0:13:50s - When did Traci came in contact with what she views as Eastern philosophy.

                - 0:19:30s - What struck Traci living in Japan about Japanese people and spirituality.

- 0:22:40s - What Japan represents for Traci.

- 0:23:15s - Traci’s lifestyle.

- 0:24:50s - Traci’s take on plant-based stuff: why the Pink Cow had from very early on vegetarian and vegan food.

                - 0:26:20s - How the Pink Cow started to host vegan meetups.

                - 0:31:00s - On the impact of your consumer choices, and going to vegan friendly places rather than 100% vegan ones.

- 0:36:20s - How being in Roppongi impacted the Pink Cow business

- 0:39:20 - About having relocated in Akasaka

- 0:40:30s - A Pink Cow franchise in the future?

- 0:43:15s - A typical Traci day

- 0:45:10s - Traci’s drive to go forward

- 0:47:55s - Traci’s business and life recommendations

- 0:51:30s - Rapid fire questions.

 

Introduction BGM: "Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

 

Additional notes and links

- The Pink Cow: http://www.thepinkcow.com/

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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プラントベースライフスタイルの普及を仕事にした小野瑠璃さんに初めて会ったのは、TVMのさおりさんと一緒に、僕の定期的なサルサレッスンとソーシャルイベントへ来てくれたときでした。そして、その数カ月後もう一度会って、話してみたら、東京のプラントベース界において大事な活動をしていることに気付き、ぜひポッドキャストのゲストになってほしいと思いました。

このエピソードでは、瑠璃さんの仕事を紹介してから、彼女のプラントベースライフスタイルへの道、オーストラリアでの滞在と現在の仕事との関係、プラントベース活動に関する考え方、仕事のより具体的な話、菜食主義者としてのソーシャルライフ、僕のヴィーガンとしての初数ヶ月と日本へ辿り着いた理由、瑠璃さんが海外で長年滞在して得たマインドセット、そしてキュバンサルサとの出会い、という内容を提供します。

インタビューを聞いてみたら、二人共は結構緊張していたことがわかると思います。瑠璃さんがインタビューされるのに慣れていないことと、僕にとってインタビューを日本語で行うのが初めてだったことはその原因でした。そのためか、瑠璃さんが改まった日本語で話していましたが、僕はいつもどおりの砕けた話し方にしてしまいました。彼女に合わせたほうがよかったのではないかと思いますが、それはともかく、内容的に興味深いエピソードでした。皆さんに面白く聞いていただけると願っています。

- イントロ

- 0:02:20s - 瑠璃さんのプラントベース関係仕事の紹介

- 0:09:30s - プラントベースライフスタイルへの道:テレビ番組からオーストラリアへ:

                0:12:15s - 「トマトを食べましょう」テレビ番組

                0:12:40s - 瑠璃さんの家族とお肉

                0:17:15s - 沖縄での食料自足経験

                0:18:20s - プラントベースライフスタイルのソーシャルライフへの影響

                0:21:45s - 概念としての「ヴィーガニズム」を初めて考えた瑠璃さん―「全部に繋がってる」

- 0:23:30s - オーストラリアでの7年間滞在と現在の仕事の繋がり

- 0:24:45s - 瑠璃さんにとってのプラントベースライフスタイル:社交性を第一に

- 0:37:10s - 頂いているもののすべてへの感謝の気持ちについて

- 0:39:25s - 瑠璃さんの仕事に戻って。。。

                どんな日常?

                0:40:10s - どんな商品とサービスを提供しているか

                0:43:30s - どんな職員なのか

                0:44:20s - プラントベースライフスタイルに関して、日本会社や日本人を相手に、一番通じるメッセージとは?

                0:45:30s - これから瑠璃さんが努めている会社が発売する予定の商品:だれでも楽しめるものを第一に

- 0:46:05s - 「楽しい」と「おいしい」はより効果的なアクティビズムのキーワード―人間心理を考える

- 0:51:05s - 瑠璃さんのソーシャルライフ―ヴィガンメッセージに柔軟性を取り入れた成果

- 0:53:27s - 僕のヴィーガンとしての初数ヶ月

- 0:55:50s - 僕が日本へ辿り着いた理由を短くに

- 1:01:03s - 瑠璃さんのオーストラリアへの関心―海外に住んで変わった世界観

                1:07:55s - 7年間滞在後の帰国―どんな印象や心境か

- 1:12:40s - 瑠璃さんとキューバンサルサとの出会い―僕とキューバンサルサとの再開、そして社交ダンスのやりがい

- 1:17:25s - 色々な小質問

 

イントロ曲:"Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

追加ノートやリンク:

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Vegan Lounge Tokyo: http://veganlounge-tokyo.strikingly.com/

- Terra Foods: https://www.terrafoods.shop/

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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Darcy Kishida is a Hawaii born US lawyer living in Tokyo since 2010. The first time Darcy and I met was in the context of my teacher job - his children are currently attending the school I work at. Us introducing each other as vegans happened the second time we met though, at a Tokyo Vegan Meetup picnic. Darcy is one of the meetups most ancient members, having attended the monthly Pink Cow gatherings for about 5 years, at a time when that was the only event organized. His origins, job, family situation and experience within the plant-based community makes Darcy a very interesting person to talk with, and I was really glad he accepted to be one of ciplantgo’s first guests.

This episode of the podcast is a bit different than previous ones in that it is more a discussion than an interview. Darcy expressed his preference for the former, and I happily agreed on making our couple of hours together an exchange of points of views. Our conversation covers a wide range of topics: why I choose the name ciplantgo, when and in which context I went vegan, Darcy’s background and path to veganism, his take on how to be his family’s only vegan, factory farming in Japan, the difference between veganism and religion, the importance of always keeping an open mind, everything health related, where to draw the line in not killing animals, the relation between ethics and feelings, the matter of suffering, and finally Darcy’s favorite eating out spots in town.

I enjoyed every bit of my discussion with Darcy, and I’m sure he will be back on the show in the future. I hope you will find our conversation interesting as well.

- Introduction

- 0:00:00s - Why ‘ciplantgo’?

- 0:01:05s - How I met Darcy.

                 Our approach to running and training.

                 0:04:15s - When and in which context I became ‘a 100%’ vegan, and then joined Tokyo Vegan Meetup events.

- 0:08:00s - Darcy’s background and path to veganism.

                 0:09:10s - Darcy’s staple food for 40 years - meat / rice / bread - and how he felt about it.

                 0:12:35s - Discussing the matter of animal based food with a plant-based friend and how it participated in Darcy giving up meat in 2009.

                 0:14:40s - On the matter of cognitive dissonance.

                 0:15:40s - What drives people to become vegan… then dropping it?

                 0:17:00s - Being used/comfortable to be unusual to be vegan, and how Darcy felt different from early on.

                 0:21:00s - What changed in his diet once Darcy became vegetarian… and how ‘easy’ it was compared to veganism.

                 0:23:00s - How Darcy felt about his vegetarianism at the time - of the hierarchy of living beings.

                 0:27:30s - Attending a Tokyo Vegan Meetup event for the first time, and how it lead to Darcy to go towards veganism.

                 0:30:15s - The case of honey.

                 0:33:15s - How turning vegan changed Darcy’s everyday habits.

- 0:35:00s - About Darcy’s family - addressing or not the topic of veganism with them.

- 0:40:50s - How most Japanese have a positive and distorted image of the facts about factory farming in Japan - is there  a need to expose yourself to the reality of the industry?

- 0:47:20s - Veganism is a no brainer once you reconnect with where the meat comes from.

- 0:53:40s - About the difference between veganism and religion.

- 0:54:40s - Exploring grey areas of veganism - the case of oysters.

- 1:00:15s - About keeping an open mind, and how it shaped my adult life… and got my father to reduce his animal products consumption.

- 1:06:45s - Darcy’s mother adopting a more plant-based diet to prevent cancer.

- 1:08:50s - Some animal products is better for health than none: a common misconception?

                 1:11:55s - What if veganism was unhealthy?

                 1:14:05s - On the importance of health for a good life, and in advocating for a plant-based lifestyle.

                 1:16:30s - About B12.

                 1:21:00s - The best diet: what/who to trust? … and how to advocate best for a plant-based diet: science or facts/examples?

- 1:31:00s - How far do we go to not kill animals: the case of rats and insects - speciesism.

- 1:44:40s - Being vegan and eating animals accidently killed: more a matter of ethics or feelings?

- 1:47:15s - Do plants suffer? … and how to measure/value suffering.

- 1:49:10s - Rapid fire questions.

 

Introduction BGM: "Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

Additional notes and links

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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Nadia McKechnie is a professional educational writer and voice-actor, and organizer extraordinaire of Tokyo Vegan Meetup.

Should you attend one of the TVM events, chances are you will be greeted by her warm and welcoming smile. Nadia displays some of the best hosting skills out there, making sure that newcomers feel among friends and find people to connect with.

In this interview, after a quick presentation of Tokyo Vegan Meetup, we cover her path to Japan and how it shaped her career, her perception of how much Japan changed during her 30 years in the country, her way into a plant-based lifestyle, and how it worked out for her in Japanese society and within her own family, her involvement in animal rights activism, and we finally go back to Tokyo Vegan Meetup before ending by one rapid fire question.

During meetups Nadia is always very busy being an awesome host, so having the opportunity to sit down and talk with her for a little more than an hour was a real pleasure for me. I hope it will be as interesting and enjoyable to you.

 

Introduction

- 0:01:43s - Nadia’s presentation of Tokyo Vegan Meetup in a nutshell

- 0:02:13s - Nadia’s path to Japan… starting 30 years ago, and how it shaped her career opportunities and choices

- 0:06:58s - Nadia’s perception of what changed in Japan throughout her 30 years living there; emphasis on the economic side of things on how it impacted the workplace (freeters).

- 0:12:28s - Nadia’s path to a plant-based diet and animal rights activism

                 0:19:43s - How mentally challenging it is to be vegan in our current society: choose your battles, and aim gradually higher as you get comfortable where you are.

                 0:23:43s - Circumstances that lead Nadia to go vegan.

                 0:26:33s - Why being vegan is ultimately easier and more convenient than not… in a yet to come world

                 0:31:33s - Nadia’s social circle in Japan and how it impacted her lifestyle choices; challenges living as a loose vegetarian in Japan… or lack thereof?

                 0:38:03s - Raising a vegetarian child in Japan

                 0:40:48s - Interacting with family as a vegan

- 0:49:03s - Animal rights activism in Japan, and the terrible animal welfare condition in the country

- 0:57:33s - About cognitive dissonance, and how addressing this issue regarding diet choices can lead to more happiness and fulfillment

- 1:04:03s - Nadia’s first experience attending Tokyo Vegan Meetup, how she came to be organizer, and what kind of help is she and Saori looking for to expand the group’s activity

 

Introduction BGM: "Corporate Japan" by Birocratic (http://birocratic.lnk.to/allYL)

Additional notes and links

- Tokyo Vegan Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/fr-FR/vegan-389/

- Vegan Tokyo: https://vegantokyo.org/

- ciplantgo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciplantgo/

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